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Parade of new businesses
by Nancy Oates on December 9, 2013
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Posted by Nancy Oates on December 9, 2013
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Mark Marcoplos
/ December 9, 2013Our family ate at Al’s Burger Shack last week and it was outstanding. You should check it out.
George C
/ December 9, 2013Nancy,
Out Downtown business district isn’t so big that anyone Downtown for the parade shouldn’t consider patronizing the businesses on the streets off of Franklin as well, such as Henderson, Columbia, Graham and Rosemary . I believe there are several new or relocated businesses on both Graham and Rosemary.
Terri Buckner
/ December 9, 2013We should all patronize existing businesses, not just the new ones. I personally love Buns, Sugarland, Med Deli, Vimalas, Light Years, and Chapel Hill Tire.
DOM
/ December 9, 2013And don’t forget Kurama! Best deal on sushi in the Triangle!
Bonnie Hauser
/ December 9, 2013If you talk to the businesses at U-Mall, they will tell you that they really appreciate the higher foot traffic in the mall. They believe parking is an issue
Last weekend – despite the awful weather, the HIllsborough parade and home tours were packed. As was every restaurant in town. And the parking deck – now owned by the county and providing free parking – was full
Anyone know how parking fees are impacting downtown businesses?
many
/ December 9, 2013Is CHT going to run buses from the ParknRide?
Linda
/ December 9, 2013Parking downtown Chapel Hill is free for on-street parking and most of the downtown lots every weekend through December http://www.parkonthehill.com/.
And for those of you over 63, there is a great discount you can get in the lots that have attendants.
many
/ December 10, 2013Linda,
Thank you.
Bruce Springsteen
/ December 13, 2013I’m going to have to take issue with the notion that we should automatically shop at all these stores that have been opening. Why should someone shop at a store just because it’s open?
It seems there’s an ethic that stores should be given money just because they’re open. But consider the flip side. Have any of you ever been sitting in your house and had the doorbell ring and open it and find someone saying “I own a store and I’m here to give you $5 for no particular reason?.” It never happens. If they don’t give you money for no reason why should you give them money for no reason.
The whole reason markets work is that when someone tries to sell something they have to entice the buyer and make it worth their while, instead of people buying something solely because someone else is selling it.
Bruce Springsteen
/ December 13, 2013Undefined? Why does it say undefined? That was me, The Boss…down…in…jun…gle…land. ETA: Okay, it doesn’t say “undefined” anymore. A minute ago my previous post said it came from “undefined” instead of by my posting name.
DOM
/ December 13, 2013Try MacDonald’s on W. Franklin. Great burgers!
Bruce Springsteen
/ December 14, 2013I may be misreading it but I get the impression from Bonnie’s post that she says that people at U-Mall believe the lack of parking hurts them. I am in that area a fair amount and I’ve never seen it full. I was there today at 11:30 a.m. and I made a point of driving around to check. Despite the fact that one chunk of the lot was blocked off for Christmas tree sales and another chunk was blocked off for something else, Farmer’s Market maybe, there were still plenty of spaces. Granted, 11:30 a.m. is before the peak time of day but then again it’s a Saturday shortly before Christmas.
I’ve noticed that lot used for other non-U-mall purposes, like a park and ride for UNC games. I suspect the reason it’s used for other reasons sometimes in the first place is that the spaces otherwise go unused. If there was a high enough demand for spaces amongst people wanting to shop at the mall I think the mall tenants would demand those spaces be made available for U-Mall shoppers rather than for other purposes.
That lot is small enough that there are no bad spaces. Any space you get is better than many or most spaces at New Hope Commons and Southpoint and yet people go those places in droves.
A high end cinema is going to open in the Dillard’s space. Despite the fact that it’s high end I bet it succeeds. Why? Because there are lots of people in that area but no movie theaters. There should have been a movie theater in that area already. In fact, as I’m sure some of you remember, where was a movie theater in that area already, the next street over on Elliott Rd. It’s where that big, empty fenced off area is now.
It had 3 or 5 screens I think and then owners wanted to expand and were in the process of doing, which is how the initial building it was in got torn down, and then there was some disagreement between the owners and the town over how the new complex would be built and the owners just decided to do nothing instead.
That was 10 years or so ago. Ten years of no sales tax revenue. Ten years of no walk by business for other stores there from people that were in the area already to go to the theater. Ten years of people from that broad general area driving farther, to Southpoint or wherever, to go to the movies. Why?
There will be a movie theater in that area soon but it’s not the beginning of something good and instead the cessation of something bad.
And even then, we’ll have gone over a 10 year period from one Dillard’s and one movie complex to one movie complex and one big, fenced off area. Other than the people that sold the fencing who exactly did that whole fiasco benefit?
many
/ December 14, 2013Not sure, but I think it was a typo on Bonnie’s part and she meant University Square/Granville Towers.which is slated for redevelopment.
I had forgotten about the movie theater on Elliot. How time flies
Having just returned from the chaos they call Southpoint, I agree I would never go there voluntarily. It’s like World War Z.
I completely agree that the U-Mall IMAX will provide a great draw and probably some new restaurants. Overall it is an excellent use of the space.
Bonnie
/ December 14, 2013Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the lack of parking downtown. The U-mall businesses I spoke to we’re thrilled to be there rather than downtown.
Glad to see Linda’s post that parking is free for December.
Geoff Green
/ December 15, 2013Kidzu is temporarily moving to University Mall while they try to fund and build their new museum on the Wallace Deck site.
The problem with parking downtown is that there are many different places to park, some of which are open to all comers, some of which are only for specific businesses, and it can be a pain to drive around to different lots to find a space. Particularly during the times of the day and week that parking in downtown Chapel Hill costs money, I don’t have much trouble finding a space.
many
/ December 16, 2013Geoff, you should write the Chapel Hill Parking app.
bonnie hauser
/ December 17, 2013Geoff – ian’t that the problem – there’s no one around when the stores are open because people prefer to shop where parking is easy and free.
Geoff Green
/ December 17, 2013“I don’t have much trouble finding a space” doesn’t equal “there’s no one around when the stores are open.” Having free parking in downtown Chapel Hill is, unfortunately, incompatible with creating a pedestrian friendly environment, unless the government (or private parties) are interested in investing substantial sums of money in structured parking facilities so that the excess demand for parking that free parking generates can be accommodated by adequate supply.
bonnie hauser
/ December 18, 2013theoretically – maybe. There are many car friendly communities that are pedestrian friendly. Zoning can (and IMO should) assure adequate parking. Vibrant, downtown storefronts contribute to a “pedestrian friendly.environment”.
Regardless of your ideological stand, its really simple. People do what’s convenient. If its hard to park in Chapel Hill, and easy and free to park in Durham, at U-Mall, Mebane or elsewhere, people will be less likely to shop in downtown Chapel Hill.
Don’t ask me, talk to the store owners.
Chris Jones
/ December 18, 2013Bonnie –
I can’t really tell what you’re asking for, but it seems that you are advocating for free parking, everywhere, in downtown? If so, let me be the first to tell you that that would exacerbate any perceived parking issues, not alleviate them.
Universally free parking downtown = universally filled with students who live off campus (and today may walk, bike, bus, or carpool because they don’t want to pay for parking).
I’ve said for many years in my work downtown or on the partnership board, we do NOT have a parking problem downtown. Rather, we have a perception problem. The town and the CHDP have done some great work to help mitigate those problems: renaming the lots where they make sense for visitors (rather than “Lot 2, Lot 5, etc), better signage at the lots, and better wayfinding signage for parking. The CHDP created the website parkonthehill.com, and parking maps that are published on their site and the town’s site. Additionally, they worked with numerous private property owners to create additional spaces available on nights and/or weekends.
Finally, I’m happy for the new U-mall tenants that they found a place that seems to be a good fit for them, but if there is any group of merchants who should NOT complain about parking, its the former tenants of University Square. Their problem wasn’t parkingm or the walkability of downtown – – it was a crappy layout of a strip mall located in the DMZ between East and West Franklin. That dynamic will change immeasurably when 143 Frankin comes up and is street-side (similar to 140 West).
Bonnie
/ December 18, 2013Chris – I’m not advocating for anything. And I love the plan to change the layout of downtown. That will help.
I’m only pointing out that there are consequences and people have choices. And given the crowds at the malls (including U-Mall and Tanger in Mebane), they appear to not be choosing downtown for their holiday shopping. The merchants seem to understand this.
I believe parking is part of the problem. Of course, anchors like A Southern Season or many stores at the major malls help. What will “draw” people to Chapel Hill – and will it be enticing enough to overlook parking challenges?
People vote with their dollar and their feet.
many
/ December 23, 2013We’re #3 !, We’re #3 ! We’re #3 !
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-most-exciting-small-cities-in-america-2013-12
Behind Hoboken and La Crosse…….
Bruce Springsteen
/ December 29, 2013In case anyone needs reminded that “Best of ” lists are nothing more than a marketing gimmick whose content often consists of complete nonsense, take a look at that one. Not that I think Chapel Hill is a bad place, although the idea of ranking places is inherently silly anyway as long as different people have different preferences. But here is what they wrote:
“One point of North Carolina’s “Research Triangle” and home to the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill claimed a fourth place finish for active life options, which isn’t surprising given its large student population. Nor should its 14th place ranking for nightlife be, when you consider it’s home to spots like Local 506 and Cave, venues that play host to world-renowned musical acts throughout the year.
While Chapel Hill only ranked 49th for the percentage of non-fast food chain restaurants it boasts, that’s not to say there aren’t plenty of unique gems like the Sunrise Biscuit Kitchen and Merritt’s, where the BLT is not so much a sandwich as it is an artform.”
Let’s dissect what they wrote.
Local 506 and The Cave host world-renowned music acts throughout the year? No they don’t. I doubt either one of them has hosted a world-renowned music act even once. (I mean acts that were world-renowned at the time. I’ve heard tales of REM or whoever playing The Cave and then becoming world-renowned later, but that doesn’t count.)
Unique gems like Sunrise Biscuit and Merritt’s, where the BLT is an art form? Isn’t that a little much? I’ve eaten at Sunrise Biscuit and I’ve eaten Merritt’s BLT and while they were pretty good, the same goes for just about every place I eat.
I don’t have anything against Local 506 or The Cave or Sunrise Biscuit or Merritt’s but being realistic, can you imagine moving to Chapel Hill based on that recommendation and then visiting those places? They add a bit of local color but they’re not something to base a ranking on. The biggest effect any of them has on the area is that Merritt’s, by pretty much giving up on being an actual grocery store, forces people that live near it that want a few groceries to drive all the way to U-Mall or Glenwood or Chatham Wal-Mart or Carrboro or whatever.
many
/ December 30, 2013Bruce, Agreed. The article is specious fluff. On the other hand it does give people a starting point for lifestyle moves. I am a bit more surprised by what was not mentioned than by what was.